The Mets’ starting rotation of Martinez, Glavine, Zambrano, Trachsel and (when healthy) Benson, while not quite the ’71 Orioles, is still solid enough to offer hope of contention. But not if New York’s relief corps remain unchanged, writes Newsday’s Jon Heyman.
Without naming names, the bullpen’s a mess, an unconvincing conglomeration of has-beens and never-weres that will never work long-term. Martinez is so nervous about it he miraculously turned himself into a nine-inning pitcher (maybe there are other reasons, but he’s already matched his 2004 complete-game total).
Willie Randolph characterized the bullpen situation this way: “We’re just trying to find our way, to see how they fit … or if they do.”
On Monday, Astros manager Phil Garner used Russ Springer and John Franco. Springer retired a few years back, and Franco should have. Bullpen woes are widespread. But if Minaya doesn’t do something, Franco may start to look good to Mets fans.
It’s curious as to why Omar Minaya didn’t make a bigger attempt to reinforce a bullpen that’s begging for reinforcements. Minaya said there weren’t a lot of star relievers to be had, and that’s true. But there’s no evidence they chased the ones who were available, including Troy Percival.
They’ve looked into Ugueth Urbina but decided the Tigers were asking for way too much. They’ve looked into Danys Baez (above) but said the Devil Rays were asking for too much. One American League executive said the Mets balked when Tampa Bay requested pitcher Yusmeiro Petit.
If the Mets won’t part with Petit for Baez, that shows how gun-shy they are. The trade that sent Scott Kazmir to the same Devil Rays brought them nothing but grief and Victor Zambano’s medical bills. However, they need to take chances.
They’ve already risked $182 million. That’s a big gamble. Trading Petit is smaller than that.
Although Petit has shiny numbers (10-3, 138 strikeouts in 95 innings in the minors in 2004), he’s no Baez, who’s saved 55 games the last two years.
“Petit’s a good-looking prospect. He can pitch. But I’d be surprised the Devil Rays would trade Baez unless they got [more than that],” another AL executive said. “He’s a first-division reliever.”
If the Mets won’t do that, they need to do something. If they do nothing, they’ll watch their bullpen sabotage a promising thing.
Actually, I don’t think Minaya’s inaction is all that curious. He’d rather risk overpaying for a position player, if not a starter, than a middle reliever. Given what the Mets paid David Weathers, Mike Stanton and Scott Strickland the last few years, perhaps there was sentiment that better results could be achieved at a fraction of the price. Though the very fact that John Franco is being paid $700,000 by Houston this year shows the premium placed on middle relief, even the ineffective variety.
Agreed about the right places to overspend. And there’s not a Mets fan out there who would trade Yusmeiro Petit for almost anyone, and certainly not for a guy who can’t decide if his name is Dennis or Danny. The Mets have a chance to have two stud rookies (Petit and Humber) in their rotation over the next few seasons behind Pedro and Benson, and it doesn’t make baseball or fiscal sense to trade four years of cheap quality for a few months of Jorge Julio’s distinctive brand of magic. It’s this kind of back of the paper punditry that puts the pressure on the Mets to do stupid things like Kazmir-for-VZam, and it’s the same back of the paper pundits who slam them when the front office has been foolish enough to do just those stupid things. They can’t win. At least not if they take this kind of advice.
Those 55 saves are soft. He would not close on a contending club, and I really don’t think he would do much in the way of setup. How about a bullpen of Looper, Hernandez, DeJean, Koo, Steve Kline, and Royce Ring. I know Ring’s lost velocity, and Koo is unproven, and Steve Kline is in Baltimore – but I’d take my chances with the two of them – if I had the proven arms in Looper, Hernandez, DeJean, and Kline.
David,
your points about Baez and Julio are well taken, but what about Uncle Floyd’s fave closer, Oogie Urbina? He’s already shown himself to be superior to Looper in one instance (though this gets back to the whole question of whether or not Looper was a good signing in the first place).
Ugh. My response got lost. So this one will be shorter and probably have an undertone of peeviness. I apologize.
My knowledge of Urbina is limited by the fact that he’s in Detroit and I luckily (although I always had fun when visiting) am not. I’ve read that his velocity is down, but we know he can close and we know he has pressure experience. I like that. I don’t like knowing, though, that the Mets would/might trade one of their legitimate organizational studs — Lastings Milledge or Shawn Bowman for hitters, Petit or Humber for pitchers — for a few months’ fling with an enigmatic 30+ closer. Urbina didn’t dominate last year, and chances are he won’t this year; what this says about tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow, with Urbina, I think is obvious. And anyway, the Mets already tried this auxiliary closer thing, getting fleeced by Billy Beane for Terrence Long and Jason Isringhausen in ’98, all so the Mets could rent a couple months of Billy Taylor’s goatee. This is clearly different, but I still don’t like it. So I’m gun-shy. Mets fans are always gun-shy. We’ve been shot a lot.
That said, though, two things keep me interested in Urbina. One is the near-100% certainty of a NY Post backpage reading “Oogie Nights!” The other is the fact that the guy has done it, and that I always wondered why the Mets got experimental-next-level on that azz last offseason in adding Looper instead of signing a real closer (i.e. someone who’d done it at a high level for one whole season). I like Looper, and he’s fairly inexpensive by closer standards, but we’re still talking about this and I think a lot of Mets fans would feel more comfortable with him holding down the eighth inning. If the Mets could add a top-five closer, I’d say it’d be worth a top-five prospect. For Urbina, though, or for Urbina v2.005, I’d say not.
I give the Mets credit for trying to assemble a decent bullpen on the cheap (one look at recent Angels teams shows how well it can work when done intelligently), but Heath Bell should have been the Mets setup man from Opening Day. I’d take my chances with him over any of the “proven” guys currently being discussed. The real tragedy of this situation is that Smokin’ Lou Pote had to go to Japan this year rather than help a major league bullpen for the league minimum.
I agree completely on Heath Bell. They practically handcuff Felix Heredia to the bullpen radiator so he won’t accidentally get into a game, and they seem a little scared to use Mike Matthews as well, but they’ve got Bell throwing smoke and apparently being a nice guy down at Norfolk. And he may not even be the first guy they call up: my money’s on Scott Strickland for that one. Roberto Hernandez does what he can, but he can’t carry the ‘pen’s crappy facial-hair load all by himself. And Strickland has the one qualification that seems to matter most to the Mets in bullpen decisions: a guaranteed contract.
Ultimately, I think they can build the foundation for a pretty effective bullpen from within (Bell, Royce Ring, Moreno, Grant Roberts and Tyler Yates if they ever come back, Fortunado when he does come back), with a few veteran guys popping up every season for minimum-salary cameos, Love Boat style. I.E. Ricky Bottalico as The Professor, Roberto Hernandez as Generallisimo Vasconcuelos).
And as for Lou “The Potentate” Pote: it’s always the innocent who suffer when bullpen politics runs amok, isn’t it?
Couldn’t agree more (re: Love Boat style cameos). I’d like to see this bullpen shaped by a few proven vets mixed together with the younger internal talent. Sure hope we see more guys like Kline, Worrell, or Hawkins instead of Heredia, Mesa, or Baez. I do miss the days when we all thought Strickland would be our next closer, and with good cause.
Re the innocent & Mets bullpen politics. What does David Cone have to do with this?
Sam,
keep your pants on.
from MetsGeek.com’s interview with the Daily News’ Adam Rubin
MetsGeek.com: With the poor start, are there any indications Omar Minaya will get trigger happy in trading for a reliever? I’m especially referring to the rumor that Tampa Bay asked for Yusmeiro Petit in return for Danys Baez.
Adam Rubin: The fact is Danys Baez, like Ugueth Urbina, just wasn’t available at the end of spring training. Devil Rays insiders say the team wasn’t even interested in Alfonso Soriano for Baez. Baez is the Rays’ closer, and he’s not going to be traded — if he is at all — until it’s established that Tampa Bay is out of the race. Urbina, a $4 million set-up man, is much more likely to be dealt if and when the Tigers fade. The Mets like both those guys, but I’m betting Octavio Dotel winds up a Met before the trading deadline. The A’s won’t be able to re-sign him and will be prepared by then to turn the closing over to rookie Huston Street. The Mets are probably stuck with the players in their organization for now, since trades rarely happen at this point. Regardless, the Mets love Yusmeiro Petit. I would be surprised if he were dealt.
MetsGeek.com: When are we going to see Heath Bell and Orber Moreno?
Adam Rubin: Heath Bell could be the first call-up. You may never see Orber Moreno in Flushing again. He had surgery to repair a torn labrum, at least his third major surgery, and won’t be ready to pitch in the minors until after the All-Star break.